Deep Space Nine Club - S01E11 - The Nagus

First appearance of the Grand Nagus! Rom! Inter-species friendship! Ferengi stuff!

@BeccaEller  

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  • Question!!! Who is which member of the band? Trying to sort main Characters we have Sisko (Leader?), O’Brien (Heart?), Kira (Lancer?), Dax???, Bashir???, Odo (straight man?) and Quark (???) *SPOILERS* Later Worf shows up and who is he??? I don’t even know! I feel like their roles grow and change through the series? Thoughts and feeling? Hey @Alastair your really good at this too. I’m so excited for more Ferengi in my life! Gosh I love Quark and I stand by my childhood crush on Nog! He’s darling!
  •  my childhood crush on Nog! 
    Possibly the only time these words have ever been said (typed).  

    I'm a big fan of the Ferengi as a concept and of all three primary Ferengi characters. DS9 does a great job of introducing 'human' concepts such as religion and wealth-seeking through other races. Some of my favourite moments are when these impulses solve problems that Federation techno-enlightenment can't (see 'Treachery Faith and the Great River). 


  • Joseph said:

    I'm a big fan of the Ferengi as a concept and of all three primary Ferengi characters. DS9 does a great job of introducing 'human' concepts such as religion and wealth-seeking through other races. Some of my favourite moments are when these impulses solve problems that Federation techno-enlightenment can't (see 'Treachery Faith and the Great River). 
    @Joseph Agreed! And who didn't try to write down all the Rules of Acquisition each time one was mentioned?
  • @GaalDornick  I know, right.  The kind of thing my son (who will grow up in a world of all information immediately at his fingertips) will never understand. 
  • @Joseph To quote Socrates' last line in Plato's Apology: "Which is better, only the gods know." Admittedly, Socrates was talking about his going off to die while the jury goes off to live. But he might as well have been talking about our having to write down all the Rules while today they can be just Googled.
  • Welcome @GaalDornick ! This entire thread is proof that I found me people! @Joseph yes I am probably the only girl in the world who at 11 had a poster of Nog on my wall, that just means I don’t have to share him! I almost feel like we get to a place with our 3 Ferengi where they are a power trio of their own. I love this look into Ferengi life! The Negus performs the same function as the Bajoran Kai or the Pope of the Medieval Catholic Church and I think that fascinating! The relationship between Rom And Quark is still finding its feet for me, they will eventually become one of my favorite relationships! As always the Negus is phenomenal and his fun assistant Mayhardoo manages to be totally captivating without saying a word! Do we ever understand exactly what the relationship between Ferenganar and Whopyria (Mayhardoo’s world) is? They have the tall dudes as “slaves” and snort the bugs so it seems to be a domination thing but why? Is this a holdover from when Ferengi were violent and war-like?
  • edited February 13
    Ok, just watched. 

    Not my favourite episode and the fact that this is a stronger first season episode shows how far the series has to go. Overall, I think I prefer the sub-plot even if it is a bit over done.  

    I like the moment of Jake and Nog looking at the attractive Vulcan. It feels pretty ‘real’ after a such a saccrine conclusion to the sub plot.  

    The idea of selling the vacuum sealed bits of a dead Ferengi is the most Ferengi thing that ever Ferengied.

    I love the concept of the Nagus as an uber-Ferengi.  It enables so many great gags and is a super useful plot device. Also Wallace Michael Shawn is fantastic. 

    Odo comments on the reliability of Whopyrian servants and I do t think we ever see any free go other than the Nagus with one. My head cannon is that they are a race that specialises in professional service, probably very expensive (said in Mr Dink voice).  Even among ferengi only the richest can afford one.  

    @BeccaEller





  • I like your version way better then mine @Joseph !!! I adore the Jake and Nog selling stuff subplot. I’m not all together sure what on earth this episode is supposed to do besides world building. Every time I see Quark with other Ferengi I’m reminded he’s the only one with out the weird hat thing... it’s the hat equivalent of fingerless gloves. I think that was a comfort issue because with his makeup on and as often as he was being filmed it was very uncomfortable to wear or too hot. Armin Shimmerman is some crazy kind of genius. Even when I don’t care about the story I always want to watch Quark. I also really love how his make up has changed since episode 1.
  • @BeccaEller Yeah it really does feel like a character and world building episode, and admittedly pretty effective. In this episode we achieve:

    1. The concept of the Nagus
    2. The first mention of the rule of acquisition (one of the great inventions of DS9)
    3. Further development of the Ferengi as uber capatalists everywhere (making it clear it isn't just Quark)
    4. The first in a long series of hints that Quark's actual ambition may not be all large as Quark's perceived ambition (by himself and others) 
    5. The proper introduction of Rom
    6. Establishing Rom and Quark's relationship
    7. The first in a long series of "is Rom going to get the bar" moments
    7. Solidifying of Rom and Jake friendship
    8. First steps in development of character Nog will become, in particular that he might not be a 'typical' ferengi. 
    9. Establishment that Dax has been a parent several times (a particularly salient way of showing the depth of her experience and establishing that joining does not preclude parenthood, which you might otherwise think it was an alternative to). 

    There are also a few character/world building fails/dead ends

    1. Rom is going to end up going in a completely different (and altogether more awesomer) direction than what is envisaged here
    2. O'Brien as school teacher makes absolutely no sense and this is understandably never done or referred to again
    3. They introduce the idea of some kind of Ferengi plutocratic government, but this basically disappears after this episode I think 



  • edited February 15
    Also ...[spoilers below]
















    Image result for nog ds9 poster

    @BeccaEller
  • @Joseph My, how he's grown. It seems like just yesterday that Nog tried to buy a letter of recommendation for Star Fleet from Sisko with some latinum.
  • @Joseph yup that’s the one!!! Oh my sweet summer child! I was so into him! Talk about your character arcs!!! *spoilers* from using bugs to turn people colors to the first Ferengi in Starfleet and a total bad ass!!!
  • @Joseph My, how he's grown. It seems like just yesterday that Nog tried to buy a letter of recommendation for Star Fleet from Sisko with some latinum.
    Among Sisko’s bigger mistakes was not taking the latinum. 
  • So how does the tiny drop down spoiler box work? @GaalDornick tell me your secrets!!!
  • @BeccaEller Easy peasy. Highlight the text you want indicated as a spoiler, choose the paragraph icon (to the left of the emoticon and to the right of the bullet icons), and you're done!
  • @GaalDornick

    Thank you!!! This is awesome!!!

  • @BeccaEller I'm not sure that that this feature being awesome qualifies as a spoiler. Pretty obvious really. 
  • Fair point!!!
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